1170 Madog

[Ken Lonewolf]

Bezahn (Greetings),

My name is Ken Lonewolf of the Shawnee-White Madoc group of Native Americans. As the last "wisdomkeeper" of my people, I carry oral history. My tales point to the 1170 Madog to America, not to an earlier Madog. However, Vikings and Albans (early Scots) may have preceeded the 1170 Madog to America by hundreds of years. My people have tales of Vikings on the Great Lakes here in America. This goes back in time farther than the 1170 Madoc, and these blonde haired white guys weren't Welsh! My people called them the "Yellowhairs"! There is evidence of them in Newfoundland and Labrador. Read Farley Mowat's books on this subject.

My focus is on the 1170 Madog and his Welsh settlers. My Shawnee people had a confrontation with these people sometime in the 1300's on the Spaylaywathepi (Ohio River to you white Europeans). O-Y-O is really our land across that river to the west!
We took many prisoners after this battle, mostly women and children. They became Shawnees.

DNA wise, I may be a direct descendent of Prince Madog who arrived here in 1170. I believe that I am walking proof that the 1170 Madog arrived in America.
Are there any more of we Shawnee-White Madocs left? We hold an annual Lenni-Lenape pow-wow in western Pennsylvania every August. However, we don't identify ourselves as white. We are part of the Shawnee nations. We ceased being identified with whites a long time ago when they came here to steal all of our land! That's when the brutal fighting began!

I do not adhere to the beliefs of Blackett, Wilson and the late Jim Michaels. I respect their opnions, but based on what I know, I cannot agree with them on an earlier Madoc to America.

The Snowbird Tsulagis (Cherokees), the wisdomkeepers of their people, only have tales of my 1170 Welsh people.

Stories within my tribal group says that we trace to the Welsh captured in about 1300 on the Ohio River. None earlier!

I believe that the late Jim Michaels and his followers were looking in all of the wrong places.

My Shawnee-White Madoc people have been "hiding in plain sight" in western Pennsylvania all along. The Mandan who share a reservation with the Hidatsa and Arikira people in North Dakota today, are our "blood brothers". Before we were "run over" by Europeans in the 1700's and 1800's, as well as by our white American government, we shared a common European language with the Mandan people when we met in council in the 1700's, which is fairly recent history.

Yes, I would also think that someone in Wales would be interested in the fact that the 1170 Madog, (possibly one of my long ago grandfathers), "discovered" America for the Europeans 322 years before Columbus managed to get himself lost at sea and washed up on shore with the flosam at Haiti, never setting eyes on North America. We Native Americans spit on this foul person's name!

British Armies sent against us in the French and Indian War (1754-1763) met us on many battlefields in western Pennsylvania. We defeated every one of their armies. The worst defeat that they suffered at our hands was at the battle of the Monogahela in 1755. We and the French literally slaughtered them! Score: roughly 29 lost on our side combined, compared to their losses of roughly 1,000. We were the "worst nightmare" of the British and the British-Americans! LOL! My Shawnee 4x great-grandfather, Willenawah (Great Eagle) fought in this engagement, and many more.

The "Bloody Nineties" (1790's) was particularly brutal. We defeated two complete fledgling U.S. Armies. We weren't about to submit to these white landgrabbers!

Our Shawnee War Chief, Tecumseh, was killed in battle during the War of 1812, in Canada. He was not part Welsh.


Funding for research is a real problem. I have requested funding from the Smithsonian, the National Geographic Society and other organizations, but I never receive replies. I can only surmise that they think that I'm crazy. Oh well!

My hometown in Pennsylvania was our last village site. This is a matter of county court record from the 1800's. Not some thousand year old documents or some dusty old myths! Our Chief White Madoc sold this village to white settlers in the early 1800's. He was disgusted with the numbers of whites flooding our lands.
He moved away to distance himself from them.


Also, be careful when collecting DNA sample from early Native Americans, since my Lenni-Lenape people originated on the Asian continent more than fifty thousand years ago, from the area of present day Persia. We scattered all over the North American continent. And we weren't the only Native American people to do so! Europeans also migrated from this same area of the Mid-East region into Europe, so there will be some matches as far as DNA is concerned. That does not prove that these early people to America came from Wales with a "King Aurthur or Merlin the Magician"!

Plus, we do not appreciate whites digging up our ancestral people! We now have laws forbidding it!
I have been involved in putting bones of Native American people obtained from museums back into Mother Earth where they belong! In this matter, I am very militant!

For those of you who wish to see a photo of myself in my Shawnee regalia, I am on the cover of a Welsh magazine "Y Gasglwr", whatever that means. It was published sometime in 2007. Sorry, I don't read Eelsh. I also appear in the center of the mgazine "Yr Enfys" which I am told means "The Rainbow". Hope this is correct. It is the Summer 2007 issue.

Ken Lonewolf

[Ken Lonewolf]

Greeting Tam,

Yes, our people can forgive what happened not so many years ago, but it is difficult to forget, as the Welsh have been through similar situations with the English invasion of their country. Old wounds take time to heal. What is bad is the fact that we are having to purchase land stolen from us on which to practise our ancient ceremonies and culture. This in western Pennsylvania. And our language is gone since we were forbidden to speak it after about 1830. I am part German on my father's side of the heritage, since he descends through the Pennsylvania Deutsche people who came to America in the early 1700's, their passage graciously paid for by English Queen Anne during her short reign. These German people are referred to as the Palatine Germans who were being persecuted by the French. They went to Belgium and Holland, then to England where they were living in the public parks as homeless people. Most who came to America ended up in eastern Pennslylvania. Some are now of the Amish religious sect.

I have been to the Grand Canyon and it has to be seen in person to appreciate the magnificence of it. I viewed it from the south ridge. As the sun moves, the rock are constantly changing colors. I attended a Hopi wedding at the canyon, and it was a beautiful wedding. I was on my way to California from North Carolina at the time. A wonderful trip.

Native Americans today, especially those west of the Mississippi River are treated terribly by our government. This should not be.

Eastern Indians, like myself, are assimilated into the dominant society. Over about the last twenty years, we are now attempting to revive our culture. There is much about us that white society still does not understand, but we are making attempts to educate them to the truth. I go to schools to speak, and I speak at battlefields where my ancestors fought in the French an Indian War (1754-1763). I try to correct the wrong perceptions that children learn about our side of these battles. Sadly, the history of our country is not being taught in our schools anymore. Americanr children in general are ignorant of the history of their own country, as well as most adults! Even our Native American youth are not learning the history of their own people.

My families are very diverse now, since our ancestors clashed on many fields of battle, and they married across the cultures in the late 1800's to the early 1900's. We are now all one family. Our family reunions being attended by descendents of former mortal enemies.

Thank you for informing me as to the meaning of Y Gasglwr (The Gatherer). I am on the cover of one of these magazines from 2007, but it is printed in the Welsh language and I cannot read it.

Do not appologize for what happened hundreds of years ago. You weren't there. The problems that we face today is an American government who refuses to recognize that we are still here. They try to convince people that we are "The Vanishing Americans", so that they don't have to admit what was done to us by them.

Hopefully, that will change. If you would like a photo of me in my Shawnee regala, contact me at my e-mail address of [e-mail] and recognize yourself as Tam so that I can identify you as not another spammer.

Take care my friend,

Ken Lonewolf

[Amber]

So you are Shawnee? Also, is there any tribes left in the US?

[Ken Lonewolf]

Greetings Amber,

Between the mixed bloods and the full bloods, there are well over fifty million Native Americans of various tribal groups in the United States. The tribes are numerous from the east coast to the west coast. Hundreds of tribal groups! Some of my Shawnee people are living on reservation lands in Oklahoma, but most of us are off-reservation Indians. We go to work every morning in every occupation imaginable, and we dress like everyone else. At our pow-wows and other gatherings, we wear our traditional regalia. We are now trying to re-establish our culture.

People like the late Jim Michaels with the Kentucky Madoc research group believe that a sixth century Madoc came to America, but the one who came here in 1170 is the one that I obviously trace to. As for as Wales claiming "discovery" of America, they were not the first Europeans to arrive here, since we have tales of Vikings on our great lakes prior to any tales of Welsh coming here. I personally don't think that a sixth century Madoc came here.

And think about this; my Lenni-Lenape (Original People) have been in North America for over forty thousand years, and we were probably not the first Native Americans to arrive here. My people originated from the area of Asia that you called Persia, and you now call Iraq and Iran, except there were no countries at all there, and if there were people in Europe at that point in time about fifty thousand years ago, they were living in caves, and about half of you were Neanderthals. They didn't die off, they simply bred with Cro Magnons.
Jus like in America today, Indians aren't "The Vanishing Americans", they are simply mixing with whites and other ethnic groups. But we still know who we are, and Native American is still our "first" heritage! I share European heritage, but it remains secondary.

Why is it that Europeans "discovered" everything? Discovered it for whom? Everywhere that these Europeans went "discovering" places, there were already people there, and they had been there for thousands of years! Europeans were latecomers to these places! And who in the world gave them "the right" to claim other peoples' homelands? We didn't sail over to Europe and steal their lands and attempt to exterminate all of the Europeans.

I was stationed in the Midlands section of England in the sixties with the U.S. Air Force, so I guess that when the plane landed there, and I stepped upon European soil, I surely "discovered" Europe for my Native American people! So it appears that we will be invading and taking Europe away from all of you! After all, I "discovered" it in 1960! And by "right of discovery" we Native Americans now own your countries!

Yes, this certainly seems to be ridiculous, but it actually happened here in North America to us!

Take care Amber,

Ken Lonewolf

[Amber]

Thanks so much for replying. Ok a few more questions if you dont mind. What is the most important thing to you as a shawnee? What is the most important thing in your history? Does your tribe have any main victorys or accomplishments that would describe your people. I was reading that the Shawnee was a tribe that divided so often or moved often. Why was that? What was the most important thing around the late 1830's? If you could answer any of these question's I'd appriciate it. Also do you have any Cherokee in you? I'm part Cherokee, along with some Irish and African American.

[Ken Lonewolf]

Greetings Amber,

Sorry to wait so long to reply. The most important thing to me as a Shawnee is to revive our culture and our language.

Important battles: Our people defeated British Col. George Washington at Fort Necessity in July of 1754, a few days after he personally started the French and Indian War (1754-1763). We supported the French in order to keep the British ''landgrabbers" out of western Pennsylvania.

British Col. Washington brought an entire British Army against we and the French at the Battle of the Monongahela River in 1755, at present day Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. The British were there to take Fort Dusquesne from the French. When the smoke of battle subsided, about one-thousand British and British- Americans were dead. We and the French soldiers lost about twenty-nine combined.

During the "Bloody Nineties" ( 1790s ) my Shawnees defeated two young American Armies, one in 1790, and the other in 1791.
We were the "Worst Nightmare" to the British and British-American Armies. And to the white squatters who were moving onto our lands without our permission.

One of these white "squatters" was my Shawnee 4x great-grandmother, Elizabeth Gray, a red-haired, blue-eyed Scot, captured in 1755 in western Maryland. She was taken to a Shawnee village on the Ohio River. During prisoner exchanges, she chose to stay with the Shawnees. She became the wife of my Shawnee 4x great-grandfather, Willenawah ( Great Eagle ) who fought in many battles against the British and against the British-Americans under British Col. George Washington. Col. Washington never won a battle against my people.

Our great Shawnee Chief Tecumseh tried to unite all eastern Indians to stop the "white flow" onto our lands. Unfortunately, he was killed in the War of 1812 in Canada.

The most important thing in our history is that we still survive!

Shawnees were broken into five groups, all assigned to certain functions that benefitted all Shawnee people. This into the 1700s. They now identify with different bands, since some were pushed west onto reservation lands in the mid-1800s. My people refused to be relocated, and were prepared to fight the American Armies again.

I do not have Tsulagi ( Cherokee ) blood in me, but I do share ancestry with the Seneca and Oneida groups of the Six Nations of Iroquois.

I do not have African American in me, but I have Oneida relatives who are part African American and Oneida.
They enter into the family through a little black girl named Sarah who was adopted at five years of age by my Seneca 4x great-grandmother, Molly, and her husband, my Oneida 4x great-grandfather, Chief White Peter who was a captive white child, captured in 1781 in western Penna. at eight years old and raised by the Seneca and Oneida. He became the only white chief that the Oneidas have ever had. He fought with the Iroquois Six Nations against the United States in the War of 1812, in Canada. He was total Indian in thought, word and deed. He remembered his English and German languages, along with his Iroquois language I believe that he also spoke French.

Not only did the Shawnees move often, but most Indian tribal groups did. We had to move with the hunting of animals and the migration of animals and birds on the east coast. There was also tribal warfare even before the arrival of Europeans, which necessitated relocation. My Shawnees roamed the entire east coast, but our main homelands were in western Pennsylvania, eastern Ohio,Kentucky,and western Virginia ( now West Virginia ). We were also in parts of Georgia.
Savannah, Georgia was named for us ( Shawvannah ). We were known as the Shawnees, Shawvannahs, and Shawannoes ( all meaning "The Southerners"). Thousands of years ago, some of our people moved south from the area of presnt day Pennsylvania and Ohio.

Shawnees are part of the Lenni-Lenape ( Original People ) who migrated from the Asian continent about forty- thousand years ago. All of our roughly forty different tribal groups from the west coast to the east coast spoke Algonkin. We were the largest linguistic group in America.

White anthropologists will argue with us as to how long we have been here. They never listen to us. They irritate me. I don't speak to them. Best to ignore them.

Since our Indian and white family members merged in the late 1800s to early 1900s, I share heritage with the Irish, Germans, Scots and even a few "Yengese" ( English ). In fact, the present Queen of England is a "distant" white cousin of mine. As is the unfortunate Mary Queen of Scots, of a few hundred years ago.

I now have as many white relatives as Indian relatives.

We get together at family reunions to share our heritages. Better to share good times and good food, than to "share" musket balls with each other, as we did not so long ago in our history, here in early America. The "killing times" are over.
Sadly, too many good people died along with the bad ones. But, that happens in all warfare. It is best to avoid warfare at all costs! It sometimes becomes necessary! Also sadly, we lost our homelands to the European "invaders" who decided to continuously war on my people in order to take all of our land for themselves.

Take care Amber,

Ken Lonewolf / Shawnee-White Madoc Native American

My e-mail address is: [e-mail]

[Megan Swanson]

Hello,

I am very interested in this topic and have been doing some research of my own on the subject. I would like to talk to you more about this. Also, Y Gasglwr means the collector:)

Best regards,

Megan

[Ken Lonewolf]

Greetings Megan,

I will discuss this topic on my e-mail site. My e-mail is: [e-mail]

Ken Lonewolf

[Megan Swanson]

Fantastic! I will email you. Diolch yn fawr.

[Ken Lonewolf]

Greetings Megan,

Identify yourself with your name so that I don't delete you thinking that I am getting more crackpot e-mails, or SPAM.

Ken Lonewolf