Grwp y Gymraeg

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Comment by Gareth Williams on September 24, 2009 at 8:47pm

I have embedded Hiwangerddi video. It has voice and lyrics

Comment by iain williams on September 16, 2009 at 9:16am

dirence=difference

Comment by iain williams on September 16, 2009 at 9:15am

thank you
your friend's adaptation is good and captures the spirit of it well...even if certain words are used that are not inthe original. However this bears out mty point ...one does not translate from one language to another but adapt.
Good. Cleryglod isn't exactly a new word to me but i doubt whether i would have heard or had it used amongst my parents and network. Butthat is the dirrence betwwen poetry and natural speech. Anyway enough said... it is a very interesting piece of compressed language. Thank....diolch am ddwyn y testun na i'r cof....thanks for bringing it into focus . Well done. Eitha da

Comment by iain williams on September 16, 2009 at 8:29am

Yes indeed some one famed for their talent would work. Y cler were wandering poets and yes as a derived meaning it would work. However it would be clerhyglod not cleryglod. Since y cler is both a masculine and a feminine noun within shifting texts we would expect the h to be there. Even if it were treated as feminine it should not lose its h since h is not subject to soft mutation. My feeling is that it is a representation of how the original was pronounced by the poet...sometimes h is not sounded in certain dialects.
incoherent at least in modern welsh-you give no date for the composition of the verse perhaps there isn't one- would be better translated by the words digyswllt or cymysglyd ie disconnected or mixed up.
But overall well done
i THINK your last two lines will now standand if yuo add them to the other two yuo have a workable translation
Welcome to the world of the translator

Comment by iain williams on September 15, 2009 at 6:29pm

hope yuo can follow my english...chwith=askew "To the left of things" as it were...the word sad an extensionof this...hope yuo follow ...

Comment by iain williams on September 15, 2009 at 6:21pm

ok first of all i wasn't concentrating and the word "enabling" should not have appeared inthe text.
Using some of your suggestions i have amended

Sweet singer ,verse makers praise-froth of dawn 10
Remarkable, kind, wise 6
Sadness a confined life 6
Here in sand a silence lies 7

The syllable count is correct i believe. If not I'LL let it stand. I do not believe it is possible to translate poetry from one language to another with any accuracy in terms of sound.
Renown is good clery y glod .....certainly y glod bit does point to praise. The word seems to be composite and by my understanding cler refers to y cler i.e wandering minstrels or bards, a word much used in the middle ages. ...something along the lines of swwet singer praised by wandering bards.
"Call" orf course does mean wise or prudent and it was an error on my part to have written "enabling". I was concentrating on something else and my attention was divided. "Chwith" though meaning sad in some aspects more generally means something that doesn't follow a pattern and is sad in that sense that it doesn't fit inbut i can see how yuo arrived at your meaning.
Tewi=to make or become silent. Incoherence is not silence but a babble of words ....speech nonetheless but not silence.
Hard to translate adequately isn't it? I FIND THAT ALL the time

Comment by iain williams on September 15, 2009 at 10:40am

Ashley in resonse to yuor comment below I have done something provisional-it is not definitive these things never are....but its a starting point I feel

Sweet singer of versemakers-dawn's foam
Remarkable, loving , enabling,
In life awry and captive of being
Here in sand, silence speaking

Comment by Tam Ryan on May 15, 2009 at 12:38pm

Thank you Emyr for explaining that. I had seen it before, but I could not remember where.

Comment by Emyr on May 15, 2009 at 12:16pm

Tafod y Ddraig -Tongue of the Dragon
Bythodyn Cymdeithas yr Iaeth Cymraeg-Badge of the Welsh language Society

Comment by Tam Ryan on May 15, 2009 at 12:07pm

Beth yw'r ystyr symbol llun o'r ochr ar Grŵp y Gymraeg? What is the meaning of the profile symbol on The Welsh Language Group?

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